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Harbeth crossover upgrade Jan 31, 2024 #623 mSpot said: "I have Harbeth and Neumann KH150 here, playing side by side, and I can tell you that speech/voice is definitely more intelligible thru Just got Harbeth SHL5 plus Working on optimizing their placement. All of this before the profiting and dealer margin, etc. Hi-Fi . Harbeths played at lower vol is a +. e. I haven’t heard every version of the speaker, so I don’t want to come across like I am an expert on every iteration of the 30. 2 but have C7 and now M30. 3 Enterprise Park Lindfield Haywards Heath West Sussex RH16 2LH England +44 (0) 14 44 484371 harbeth. I would also tend for the Seas A26RE4 as that driver has the same kind of qualities as the Harbeth woofers, but the crossover point will have to be lower with that one. In addition, high quality ‘ultra-pure’ OFC copper internal cable interfaces the The M30. I had been using the smaller SVS SB 1000, which was nice but wow, the SB13 really kills! Glad you're happy, SVS + Harbeth has to sound fantastic! toddrhodes, Sep 14, 2015 #2. " "XD" upgrades in the SHL5plus include VanDamme internal wiring, new damping material, new binding posts, more tightly spec'd tweeters, and that new crossover design, which in addition to those component-value changes includes upgraded capacitors. 2 based on the SHL5+ crossover upgrade from the SHL5 crossover. mds I NEVER sell equipment! Just build another system. I bought a returned set, open box, yes, more than the KEF, but not as much as you might think. Its main limitation is that the extreme low frequency (i. Harbeth make no outlandish claims about their cabinet materials or crossover parts. After a few upgrades to nice caps etc it’s around $500, plus enclosure, for one speaker. Last edited: Apr 20, 2020. iPhone SE - Apple dongle - Truthear x Crinnacle Zero or Topping NX4 - AKG K371. Raspberry Pi4 (moodeaudio)/Marantz TT15s and Rega Fono MC phono stage - ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition - March Audio P452 - Harbeth P3ESR. The Harbeth was a very coherent spearer, but the Audio Note was no slouch in this area either. Harbeth C7ES3; Harbeth M30. ". A pair of Rogers LS3/5A For the celebratory version of C7ES-3, Harbeth has substituted the standard crossover components with upgraded UK-manufactured poly-capacitors. IMO many speaker designers could learn a lot by studying Harbeth and the newest YG xo's. Crossover slopes: third-order, I noticed one of the newer members made an allusion to driver materials having some salutary influence on the reproduced sound of a speaker. It seems like the crossover between the 8 inch bass and midrange is done at 630 Hz - probably at the frequency of the baffle step , so no correction is needed for the midrange because the 8 inch woofer fills up nicely. Just a question: I have three possible routes to go: Minty pair of JR-149 with the JR Super Sub. While some details have been improved over the years (and been reported on in the magazine), its design has remained consistent over the years: a diminutive two-way stand-mount intended to take the place of the 手機拍攝modified crossover JBL 4312a和Harbeth M30。完成改裝作品後，手機錄低modified Harbeth M30喇叭播出7吋細碟村下孝藏歌曲，剪輯合成小段影片。JBL 4312a 用 The Harbeths is a totally different thing. It included WBT terminals, improved internal wiring (upgraded from Van Damme Blue), better capacitors in the crossover, bridging wires with silver spades instead of the standard copper plates, and a more expensive cabinet finish. Certainly the cost of the upgrades more than justifies the additional price. M40. Celestion In the interests of full disclosure I need to preface what you are about to read with a couple of facts about me. 2 Likes. Additionally, according to Alan Shaw of Harbeth and others, the poly woofers in the LS5/9 are no longer functioning according two spec due to 1) failure of the original bonding agent on the surrounds and 2) the inherent tendency of the cone material to distort over time. Would work well with the Sansui. Amazing. Yank Bulbous Also Harbeth „development„ and Anniversary models are like car manufacturers do update the software calibration of their automatic transmissions or engine controller. After an extensive online research, I concluded that the biggest improvements can be made by upgrading the crossover, which according to numerous Internet sources, is the weakest link of the JBL L100. Was interested in his review of the KLH Model 5 (relatively positive), and curious to see what he recommended as an upgrade (relatively minor). I might lower the crossover point further to achieve this but I don't want a dip between that and 75 Hz. in my experience move to tube amp bring more plus/magic to the midrange what harbeth famous for ! Hi, In my easy listening room, I have a pair of Kef Concerto's driven by a Kenwood Supreme 500. Frequency response 35Hz – 20kHz, ±3dB free-space, grille on, smooth off-axis response. diyiggy. Even crossover brands like Dynaudio and maybe Focal keep their pro models well hidden from their domestic dealers I think, ATC being the only one where their It was a good upgrade over the 5, in fact a much needed modernisation away from that old 'slightly too warm and friendly' original 5 sound IMO. There are Similar Build Threads out there, with links to parts, pieces, builds, similar designs, etc. Now the Harbeth P3ESR takes me back a ways but this speaker set uses a two-way design with a complex crossover arrangement to tune the waveform to the degree that offers a very smooth and natural sounding appeal with and without the grills attached. 2 Ann. The completed redesign maximizes the performance potential of the Harbeth exclusive RADIAL2TM Cone Technology, the evolved P3ESR XD delivers breathtaking transparency, accurate bass and dynamic integration across the audio spectrum. The Harbeth is specified as having a sensitivity of 86dB/W/m, and my estimate of I think the Benelux dealer who is long established with harbeth did a side by side comparison and considered the 40th anniversary a worthwhile additional expenditure. 5kHz. Price is 1000 and a good friend of mine. imo the Harbeth's sound much more relesdtic, voices and acoustic instruments. By the way, I kept the Lintons stands as the Stirlings fit Firstly, a passive crossover should be as simple as possible. My main The tweeter too has been upgraded. One thing to consider setting the About seven months ago Greg Belman emailed me to say that he had figured out a crossover upgrade that would improve the sound. But no way in the world (IMHO) they're He designes crossover upgrades strictly for Heritage Klipsch speakers (which includes the Forte). I use SHL5+ 40th with a small REL sub for 25-40Hz. Harbeth metal domes are far from bright at all IMO. While speaker size was a factor for me, actually music listening experience was a toss-up; both systems are superb, IMO. I plan to upgrade the speakers, a friend of mine in Vietnam suggested me to try Altec 604-8g or JBL L300. Also now running a pair of Harbeth C7es-3s. Definitely reaching the laws of diminishing marginal returns. Hi, first all no have experience on 40. 1 I’m showing the frequency response for Harbeth P3ESRs as being 75Hz–20kHz, ±3dB. , 20Hz-40Hz) is somewhat weakened, and it cannot produce maximum sound pressure in large rooms. Harbeth 40. Joined Dec 12, 2021 Messages 354 Likes 279. chrisb. and the midrange keep breaking on me because of the soft slope 1st order crossover. 1, which is basically the pro version, M40. I've got a pair of harbeth speakers that belonged to my father that I'd potentially like to upgrade, if feasible. Thus has the already popular Harbeth Super HL5 evolved into the Super HL5plus, with the addition of a RADIAL2 woofer and the associated crossover refinements to suit it. And it's mainly the crossovers that are responsible for it. only said that Harbeth had spent every penny they could making it as good as was then possible. I've never heard such a warm and beautiful sound from a loud Guest. Neither speaker that old will still have their original drivers/crossovers meeting original specs. 75" (19mm) aluminum-dome tweeter, 4. Just a capaciter upgrade is all it took. About Wharfedale Linton : The older, wider baffles wasnt as bad as many thinks. I don't recommend you going to I think a 'new' Harbeth line will be out shortly - I noted that some UK dealers have slightly discounted pricing and very limited veneers which may corroborate this. 2 Anniversary model sports better performance WBT ‘Nextgen’ binding posts, Harbeth’s ‘new-look’ tweeter, and upgraded audiophile-grade polyester capacitors that are made in England specifically for Harbeth. After trying out some of Steve's "recepies" with Vifa M21, I have found that his BW3 style crossover using 8inch woofer and inverted polarity on tweeter is "my kind of sound". Sidebar 3: Measurements. Also, why is the tweeter and driver spaced so far apart? Harbeth SHL5+ vs SHL5+ 40th anniversary? Thread starter Goodman_77; Start date Aug 21, 2018; Prev. joeriz, jonwoody and Glmoneydawg like this. While a system approach is nice, I personally don't consider such an approach "active" monitors, since the active bits are Upgraded crossover. Audio. IRG, Jan 6, 2021 #4. I want to hear my Harbeths free of the sub at 75 Hz on up. The Harbeths sound more extended in the high frequencies, though, and a Radio Shack sound level meter and Stereophile's Test CD 2 confirmed this: The Duo tweeters sign off above 16 kHz somewhere (the next step on the CD is 20K Wow, what a great upgrade. It may be that Harbeth and Spendor have both advanced the art a bit now, while staying true to the principles. I think that there are trade offs with everything/speakers. This isolates the sensitive capacitors from the unwanted effects of air pressure within the enclosure and makes for a very effective heatsink to ensure optimum performance when in use. Whats your opinion? Would you buy a product that is a 30 year old design that costs 5 times as more with the only diffinceses as upgraded silver wire and upgraded crossover components. Motor start capacitors are excellent for crossovers. Harbeth also took this opportunity to improve the midrange driver by using the newly developed RADIAL2 diaphragm, adding a higher impedance voice coil and increasing the flux. Reactions: Willem and CapMan. The Harbeth Monitor 30 is probably the finest box speaker I've ever heard at any price. All the Harbeth crossovers I've seen are very complicated, so it makes you think the drivers aren't very well-behaved at all. The tweeter is not at all fatiguing in my experience, it’s obviously refined sounding, somewhat soft (not as in rolled-off, it’s decently extended, but in a soft dome However; for the price of these I would not recommend spending $200+ on a crossover update. That kind of care and attention is rare in audio. 2. 5 to 2Khz. Thanks . That said, I heard the 30. I have also attached a photo of a Harbeth on a similar size stand to give you an idea of the visual. They had the DN12 crossover upgrade I think. and they are amazing. Reactions: J U Stone. 2 - Antipodes CX + EX - Chord mScaler + TT2 - MicroZOTL MZ3 - 805 Line Magnetic SET - Sotm - Shindo - Sanders - Shunyata Triton + Typhon + Cyclops - Anaconda + Python PCs - loom of WireWorld Platinum + loom of Neotech Nemos signal cables - Stillpoint U5s Then what if I built silver inductors? or changed the caps to ultra expensive audionote copper? Or upgraded the internal cabling to one of the well respected manufacturers e. With good electronics (source, preamp and power amp), the P3ESR can really sing and sounds musical. William Bryant Forum Resident. The diminutive Harbeth HL-P3 has been one of this magazine's consistently recommended speakers since we first reviewed it in 1993. The details of the execution construction/ crossover design and layout seems to be what separates them from each other. If the 30. March 24, 2011. There's a bit of If you fancy modelling simple crossovers, I can recommend Basta, an excellent free download which allows you to play around with all the variables - driver, box/baffle, active and Harbeth P3ESR Anniversary edition. I listen to jazz no louder than 75dbs in a bright 400 sq ft room. " William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) I've been extremely happy with my LS50's, in a small room with near-field listening. First, as you can see in my bio on this website, I am a Harbeth owner, and have been since 2014. However, the R-300s turned out very well. I'm hoping the Lintons with crossover upgrads will be the poor mans Harbeth. Now, just a few years after the last of those upgrades, Harbeth has introduced an even newer and presumably better cone material, RADIAL2. Also google it and get more. They will sound substantially smoother and richer and you will have control of relative mid and tweet levels. Location: Nampa, Idaho. A. 90% vinyl, also being upgraded later this year. It should work with the Yeah nice speakerthey do sound like there more in your quest. You can't compare metal dome with metal dome, it is about crossover design, implementation etc. Last update Jun 2, 2012. S. Car manufacturers don't do that this way. Also being mass produced cheaper than specialist audio caps. I understand Harbeth pro and consumer were for along time basically the same, but not in recent years. The upper mids and lower treble will never have the finesse of the big yesterday i came back from about 1. In contrast to its previous generations, it now features a mid-bass driver with a diaphragm made of the most recent version of special blend injection moulded polypropylene, patented by Harbeth and referred Current successor, Harbeth P3ESR XD is over $3,000/pair Two-way, stand-mounted, sealed-box loudspeaker. Loudspeakers. I believe that an 8" two-way has limited chances for success and the Harbeth M30 is the closest anyone has ever come to implementing it properly. 3. I love the way they sound, but they have the original crossovers and I'm feeling that they may have deteriorated somewhat since they were manufactured somewhere between 1969 and I like a cluttered, busy looking room. Standard wire wound resistors have inductance, but at audio frequencies its effect is so vanishingly small as not to require accounting for. Due to original Celestion Ditton 66 crossover caps being way out of spec, I decided to replace them first. J. 2 connected to the Accuphase E370 - Wow never heard a system (headphones or Speakers) better. Harbeth Monitor 40. DIY 300B SET Update. I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system and a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the Harbeth Super HL5plus's frequency response in the farfield; and an Earthworks QTC-40, with its small, ¼"-diameter capsule, for the nearfield responses. I’ve heard the M40. Has the rare wall stands and everything has been recapped correctly with Dayton caps and the wood is all in really good condition. DIY Anyone thought of using motor start capacitors? When I replaced one recently I was surprised to find it was Polyprop and being 5uF the right sort of value for crossovers. Tronsmart Mirtune S100 Portable Outdoor Speaker drivers and crossover. Lovely. It was implied that the original SL6 version is very easy to listen to and has a really nice midrange. Jeff bought and sold a pair of Harbeth Super HL5, Harbeth 40. The Harbeths have a little more detail. I know speakers are very subjective, but will the Harbeth's be a big upgrade. I helped them buy It uses the radial 2 midrange/bass driver and has an upgraded crossover over the previous version. 5 dB and the Omega pro 15 would be around 97dB. presumably, your choice. More in Computer Speakers. Late update. I'm attracted to their reputation for a big warm sound and excellent midrange and imaging. tIANcI and clarity of the original P3ESR by upgrading the stock tweeters to the SEAS Replicating the crossovers with the same drivers would be a challenge itself, to replicate the speaker's characteristics with different drivers and crossovers will take a bit of doing. Dutch & Dutch 8c Stands; Harbeth Speaker Stands; Harbeth M40. Harbeth M30. These changes lead to Harbeth having to redesign the crossover from the ground up. Harbeth is convinced that deviations in frequency response should be solved with a filter and that you also need to The roll-off below 80Hz or so is definitely audible compared to my Harbeth SHL5's, which have 'thunderous' lower bass in comparison (I had to foam plug the ports here to tame it). The main thing about Harbeth speakers is drivers with no resonances in the passband and a mass loaded thin wall cabinet like the BBC LS3/5A. Our 801 D4 Signature uses upgraded rear-mounted crossover designs mounted on stiff aluminum spines. BIGGER Dave, Feb 13, 2020 #5. not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. Joined 2020. If you want a more "Harbeth" sound from your Klipsch get some variety of ALK crossover. I do have a CM1 that I drive Magnepans @86db spl efficiency. Looking at the schematic it looks like after the signal reaches the tweeter, it goes through R2, C3 and then through L1 for the second time before go The Harbeths work well with a sub for movies (crossover at 80hz) but when I did a quick AB with music material I preferred the sub off. ) 2B TL crossover upgrades complete! Look at his started threads to see a bunch of stuff he's done. However, at this weekends Bristol show, Harbeth was showing off their new XD series. Streaming Roon (Tidal/Qobuz/rips) through a Raspberry Pi streamer, and I've got a Thorens TD-121 Some Harbeth dealers online have really placed the XD on a high pedestal with all their hyperbolic marketing statements. Member. Heard other Harbeth models, 30 and 40 at audio shows. And this is how the Harbeth M40. Amplification is a parasound HINT6 integrated amp. 2”). 1; Harbeth P3ESR 40th Anniv. A new refined crossover was optimized with the @audio_bidder: your question is not addressed to me; nevertheless, I’ll try to add my 2 cents. All the other speakers that never received upgraded components/modified crossovers and wiring will now receive the same and With single drivers you don’t get phase anomalies and crossover distortion and once your ear gets attuned to this, it’s very hard to accept it in other speakers. 2013-09-16 6:49 pm #2 2013-09-16 6:49 pm #2 I felt that the Audio Note offered superior low frequency response and a clearer midrange. The OP can always restore it to original and sell them but you could try so many different tweeter and voicing options with simple crossover changes. Thus said, it does have it's limitations. More like 1. more tuneful and textured than the bass from sub. I’ve given lead position and allotted more space to C7ES-3 XD here because it’s the latest (and last) Harbeth to get XD treatment and so much time has elapsed since I reviewed its predecessor, whereas I reviewed the Monitor 40. The CM1 doesn't have to go past 11 o'clock. Space to the side is the main priority for the MBLs with their side firing bass and lower-mid cone drivers, I have about 5 Some people see Harbeth as "pipe and slippers" speakers - comfy and fine if you are listening to mostly acoustic music or music of limited bandwidth and dynamics, but restricted to that. Harbeth’s radial 2 midrange/bass driver and the size of the cabinet are perfectly matched, providing wonderful bass detail and ease that simply lets the The low sensitivity is partly due to a large crossover that almost fills the rear baffle of the cabinet. Harbeth cabinets employ the same constructional techniques used in musical instruments, where material selection and damping are all-important. The crossover is very complicated especially when compared with other 2-way shoe box size speakers available on the market. com. Reactions Harbeth stand with the minimalist less-is-more crowd. In mid project I decided to go a different (speaker) direction. The gear is in a closet behind the orange couch, so speaker wires run under the rug. I just upgraded the crossovers in pair of Kef R-300s. 1 at the Stereophile show in New York City prior to Covid, and the character that attracted me to these speakers and that version certainly is the character of my 30. B It did take a while to get it set up how I liked there are no numbers to work with on the crossover/gain dials, they click as you slowly turn them so I started with REL's recommended starting The wires from the crossover PCB are different lengths, so rather than replacing them, I simply swapped them at the PCB end, thus maintaining correct phase. Forum Donor. 2 caps and 1 coil on a 3way horn speaker is insane. They do not lack bass for the music I listen to. com" The Music Room; Contact Ben Klenk bklenk@tmraudio. Have you measured them? Last edited: Nov 26, 2020. A couple of months ago he emailed me to say that he had tested an Eton woofer in the 0:00 Intro10:23 Sound Impressions14:00 Harbeth Line Up SummarizedEmail me at "2channellistening@gmail. Companies like Harbeth though clever place the directivity problem/peak in the presence region (by using relatively high tweeter crossover frequency) where it gives a nice euphonic voicing. I would have been happy if I bought either the Audio Note, Harbeth, or Canalis, but I was happy that I listened to all three so I could make an informed choice. Suckouts in the crossover region occur more than 10° above and 5° below the tweeter axis, but there is slightly more mid-treble energy 5–10° above the tweeter axis. Billfort. I have a pair of Monitor Audio MA6 budget speakers that are the size of Harbeth SHL5 would suit you for under $200. Crossover: 40 Hz Slope: 12 dB Volume: -10 dB Phase: 180 This is based on some measurements someone did for me on the Harbeth forums and how it sounds in my room and system. I found the high frequencies of the C7 XD beautiful. some MDF, some wiring, some simple damping material, two or three drivers and a basic crossover. The selection of driver complement, in itself, is a bit of an art. BTW, the Harbeth models are primarily designed to suit different room sizes. Phil I'm not an expert on reading these measurements, but that's my understanding. Can't believe how expensive old Rogers and especially Spendors are nowadays, despite many of 'em being shagged out. 1 is not a worthy upgrade from the C7ES3 by Alan Shaw. spitback said: And use minimal internal damping material. I've been running my Harbeth Compact 7es-3's full range along with various sub woofers using only low pass filters. A $600 upgrade for a ~5% improvement. Harbeth Super HL5 Plus; KEF LS50 Wireless II; KEF LS60 Wireless; Klipsch La Scala II; Magnepan 1. I would describe the Magnums tone as neutral. 22: I upgraded the crossovers to the Gold Badge ones; same as those used in the Falcon LS3/5a. Reactions: Ludovic, gumonx, johnah5 and 2 others. Location: East Coast. 1; Harbeth M40. Harbeth Super HL5 Plus; not the upgraded Celestion SL6S version with its silver colour tweeter. I like Harbeth P3's, have owned them twice. The Monacor SPH-220HQ looks very smooth in the measurements I've seen, as does the Seas CA22RNX & CA22RNY. Maybe that’s worth it to you? Just put up the NC info so you get an idea of what improvements are possible. As someone earlier pointed out, the more component it has, the more likely the deleterious effects (insertion losses, being one of them) are. 1's, owns a pair of Tannoy 4. speaker makers update their voicing all the time, KEF LS50 to the new Metas, which are voiced much differently for example. I think a (used) pair of 40. DIY speaker and crossover is a fun hobby and not that difficult. They saved money and I'm I think in general a well designed speaker includes the art of crossover design, and Harbeth speakers and crossovers are very well designed. 3 XD. it was detailed but not too bright, the mids had a lots of timber / 3D while the bass was detailed and had enough punch that i could make out each instrument. Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > bgiliberti Will You Be My Neighbor? The Harbeth’s are very refined when it comes to vocals, and can make music sound completely present. I also upgraded my DAC to the Musical Fidelity tri-vista 21. Because Harbeth aligned the drivers to one driver's (tweeter) axis at a specific distance and not to halfway between the drivers. Even the base Q7 crossover was pretty nice, not that same as the silver badge, and very similar to something you’d find in a Harbeth or Proac speaker component wise. 1 is in fact more neutral, transparent and less colored by the enclosure to me it would be a worth while upgrade. They have different cabinets, different crossovers, different tweeters, and different woofers. Last edited: 2013-09-16 6:45 pm. Last edited: 2020-03-25 4:22 pm. However worth mentioning is that the Harbeth line up is very different in sound signature. They build speakers and make speaker kits, but they also sell upgrades for existing speakers. twice and, more importantly, I’ve owned the smaller M30. 2's will be my next speaker upgrade These have been on my radar for a while now The cabinets are different (veneer choices and cut-out for the terminals), all the capacitors are of a different style, shape and size on the crossover boards and there is an adaptor board in the Anniversary speaker to convert the connection of the WBT terminals into a long-term ‘Harbeth standard’ for internal wiring. I was trying to find out what the signal path is before reaching the driver so I found a schematic online and various images. Maybe I try Harbeth HL5plus speakers next. 2 is differently voiced to the M40. My previous speaker experiences in chronological order are quad esl57 stacked spendor bc1 avantgarde duo audio physic avanti harbeth Harbeth C7ES3; Harbeth M30. All things being equal, I wonder how true this assertion really is. I also think that taking measurements with the grills on would be best for these particular speakers since they measure better that way and also Harbeth states they should be kept on. We have our own proprietary line of drivers that are used in our designs. Not optimal, but it's a living room, not an audio museum. If the OP decides to go for the K-horns, I do recommend him There is almost universal agreement to upgrade the crossovers, but that is where the agreement ends. Chris81, Dec 10, 2024 #39. Harbeth will be ramping down production of the Anniversary Series and ramping up production of their new XD series starting in April. Billfort; Mar 4, 2004; DIY; Replies 7 Views 2K. C. online so these The Duos bring the performance a little closer to you than the Harbeth perspective, and they are both smoother and more detailed overall. For me (in my system, with my room and electronics) I find the Stirlings easier and more fun to listen to for extended periods, especially if you like to turn up the volume from time to time (or all the time). Harbeth have been using variations on this recipe since 1977. 2. . Specialist audio caps are a wast of money. 5 hour listening session with the Harbeth 40. I would also agree that GR Research does profit from the crossover upgrades he sells. The 30. Which I can get the same speaker as the same cost or less of the audio note and Harbeth and dose not need to take up the whole room or look like the 70's. Thread starter Babyboomerxyz; Start date Apr 14, 2022; Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar. I know that later in the year the new P3's will be out with the radial driver, and maybe if I feel it is worth it, an upgrade will be in order. Putting those values into a simple Butterworth crossover simulator gives a crossover frequency of 2,750 Hz, so the measured inductor values would appear to be reasonable. Harbeth P3ESR drive unit Just upgraded to these from Harbeth P3ESR's. The M30. 2 Anniversary in 2019 (Google “Seydor Harbeth Monitor 40. Weight simply mounts to the centre of the inside of Both the Seas tweeter and Harbeth mid-bass unit appear to be very well made. Harbetholder iterationprobably newer crossover updates/changes,metal tweeter? Drivers and crossovers in the C7 model have been updated twice since that time. Impedance 6-8 ohms, easy to drive. 2 XDs. Choices include a different designed passive crossover, active crossovers and a few owners prefer simply the same design with ugraded capacitors. Joined 2002. As for not going above 75 Hz, I want the Harbeth M30. I’ve not pulled them to bits but I bet there is way, way less in the crossover of my Spendor S3/5Rs. On the Harbeth users group it was mentioned that the 30. These amps have built in dedicated crossovers, XLR connectivity and one channel each for the tweeter and bass unit. I have an active crossover for an 80hz bypass and SVS sb1000 pro handles the lower scale, but who knows, the Totem or Harbeth can handle a bit more oomph than the Neats at a good bit of power and i might turn down the help from the sub to below new speaker spec output(the Neat couldnt and still cant even with the bypass. I resisted the upgrade bug at the time Are they anything of an upgrade on my current speakers? Current ones have had the crossover capacitor updated, but not much else that wasn't merely cosmetic. Harbeth can create emotions and connect to your music like nothing else I've tried before. I actually How much does the Harbeth P3ESR cost in materials/parts? I mean everything, the cabs, drivers, crossover parts, and the rest. The fact is that this is not a new „development„ and not a reason to make a new version and to increase the price dramatically as Harbeth. The Harbeth’s development team has, once again, redefined what is possible from this use anywhere loudspeaker. It would likely make more sense to invest that $200 plus the resale price of the speakers into a better set of speakers. The atc are musical and natural to my ears, but the harbeth are sweet musical. Worth the Upgrade? This comparison from my favorite video reviewer. Harbeth manufactures most their drive units in-house except for the tweeters. In continuous production through several design generations since its inception, now featuring Harbeth's RADIAL2™ driver and a radically new approach to the crossover. Your Harbeth are low sensitivity at 83. So in theory shouldn't the Harbeth XD versions with upgraded parts sound alot to better than the Harbeth P3ESR XD, upgrade from KEF ls50? Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by utahusker, Aug 1, 2023. 2 based on the SHL5+ Same track sounded wonderful in the Vinni Rossi / Harbeth room. No doubt these will be collectible though and hold their value. 1 Stands; Rogers AB1; Tannoy GRF; Yamaha NS-1000 Bass Reflex; DIY Upgrades. The P3’s have amazing coherence and naturalness, especially with the voice. I really recommend Harbeth. 300mm Harbeth bass unit; 200mm Harbeth RADIAL2™ mid; 25mm ferrofluid-cooled tweeter. 7i; CELESTION 66 CROSSOVER UPGRADE PROCESS. silversport See Skylan Stands for good image. Helicopter Major Contributor. Harbeth's world-exclusive RADIAL2™ cone technology has been transferred from the Harbeth flagship to be at the heart of the P3ESR. Not as soft as some tube amps. 83V/1m axial. We have high quality crossover components and accessories for any project. The other 40th anniversary models have been well received over the standard models. driven by dedicated Quad AM8/16 amps, which are modified Quad 405 (and 405-2). Enclosure The enclosure is made using classic BBC thinwall practice - high-quality 9mm birch plywood, critically damped with self-adhesive bitumen pads (which are additionally stapled in Harbeth is much less tiring, more detailed, smooth and natural. As said they sound nice but today you can also achieve better if technical perfection is the target. g audio note ansp?? Exciting or what. Location: Eagle, Idaho. Related Topics Topic Replies Views Activity; Harbeth SuperHL5. With the super smooth frequency response you can use very simple crossover to hit your target curve. r Luxman M The Harbeth stand had a loudspeaker on show, but the demonstration of the new Super HL5 plus was in the REL room, showing just how a subwoofer can sound. A big difference. Even figuring losses in the woofer crossover and other factors, your P3ESR would need 10x-15x more power for the same level as your sub. Interestingly JBL made a MKII version, the only difference being that they removed the bypass caps. Evident Sonic upgrade as it should given the price difference, the Lintons remain so pleasant though, it's addictive in its on own way. Good engineering. It would be fascinating to model A pair of Harbeth speakers is carefully matched before being sold, and home modifications are frowned on by the manufacturer. I don't have a chance to audition them so I don't know how good they are. I have over 100 hrs on them now. New posts Search forums. Get that right, and the crossover will be much easier to design for simplicity. What are you hoping to achieve? The I am surprised by the harbeth complex and cheaply built crossover. This most definitely would interfere with the intended design characteristics of the Harbeth crossover since, at the least, the slopes of the passbands would be steepened. Whereas many Harbeth owners buy Harbeth precisely because they find them to do well on all types of music. 5k and 10k, with response out to 40kHz. Hard to sell my Klipsch Heritage Speakers for a possible Harbeth upgrade. His video suggests that old British designs (spendor, Stirling, Rogers) Do not measure up to GR The HL-P3es2 is am my only option when it comes to Harbeth's due to the fact that they are to be used on a desktop and anything bigger will not work. Which is a fine idea as it means they can patent The new terminals on the rear panel connect directly to the printed circuit board that contains the crossover components, which shortens the signal path and minimises transition losses. P. Rega Brio-R, Rega DAC-R, PMC Twenty. Drive-units: 0. Luxman CL35 IIITube power amp. Tronsmart Mirtune S100. Source vinyl record 12' remix single "French Kiss Josh Wink"Tonearm SME VMM Cartridge Ortofon 2M BlackTube pre amp. 3xd’s after reading a bunch of ott reviews. and last year the Music Department wanted to upgrade from their cheap 1990s Sony HiFi. From what I understand, the newer version of the speaker is more contemporary sounding and probably more to I’d have expected a modern driver to be pretty flat with an engineered treble roll-off. GR-Research is dedicated to helping you upgrade your speakers with high end The Harbeth P3ESR is a highly rated speaker. Forums. I think the latest line will essentially be the anniversaries minus the fancy connectors and veneer options, ie just the crossover update. L. co. To find the answer, I once asked a dealer in my area about vintage Altec and JBL vs Harbeth. Home. I think the 5 anni was launched early 2018. I’ve read two recommendations online for setting your sub crossover to 45 Hz, yet I’ve read you should set your crossover to 10 Hz above your speakers lowest rating for some overlap, meaning 85 Hz. Does anyone know what the crossover point is? I’m guessing it’s pretty high with that . why spend $2200 on $2000 speakers, not necesary. 7i; Magnepan LRS; Spendor A4; DIY Projects. To try to answer the original question, although I haven't compared Harbs with If you look at some crossover schematics for 3-way Home. Some years ago a German company named Cicable, now gone, sold bespoke crossovers for Spendor and BBC speaker models designed by Derek Hughes. 2 Anniversary for about an year. Power In addition to Harbeth’s P3ESR XD mini monitor speaker (also known as an ultra-compact speaker), the Compact 7 is Harbeth’s entry-level product for those seeking full-range speakers. Sounded absolutely fantastic. I wish harbeth would give us a genuine 3 way the size of an HL5, using the radial bass, but with the mid/bass from the hlp3 and the tweeter from the p3/30/40’s notch tweeter instead of the 2,5 way concept with the super tweeter would make more sense in general and a less complex crossover like the C7ES3_ would be great. Aluminum top-plate 1. The crossover components appear to be of a good quality, but you will not find large air-core inductors here. I want the least amount of overlap. 75 tweeter. Good dynamics at lower Does anyone has the crossover schematic of Harbeth P3 Speakers? If yes, please kindly email to likan888@yahoo. Hi, I wanted to upgrade the crossovers of a Wharfedale Linton 85th. 5" (110mm) polypropylene-cone woofer; both units are magnetically shielded for use in close proximity to a TV set or monitor. It ran for about 3 years until the Anniversary series. I listen to mostly Jazz & classical and find I'm valuing low level dynamics. Amplifier suggestion Works with a wide range of amplifiers – suggested from 35W/channel. Crossover points are 3. 1 was born One Harbeth dealer who attended said that his personal frustration was his inability to persuade (using words, not physical violence!) customers who actually were prime potential Harbeth users from not taking the biased advice HARBETH AUDIO LTD. Anyone with Matrix 802's, look into this upgrade. The HL5plus gets the very best from the Harbeth-made 200mm RADIAL2™ bass/mid driver in a cabinet is skillfully designed according to the pioneering research undertaken by the 75 Hz as that is where the Harbeth P3ESRs begin to taper off. WHAT TO UPGRADE IN JBL L100. You really need a pretty big room to justify M40. 2 XD in turn has all the Anniversary model upgrades and then some. Or somewhere around 7x-10x more voltage. The latter are manufactured by Norway's Seas to Alan Shaw’s specifications. Nothing wrong or especially new with loudspeakers being sold as a system, with mating amps and crossovers. The photo was taken when it was unusually tidy! There's actually just on 1 metre behind the speakers. There are other potential improvements that can be made, like more rigid enclosures or replacing damping material with acoustic foam, Harbeth claims the speaker can handle 650 watts per channel which mean it is probably capable of a total of 114dB Audio Note claims their speakers can handle 150 watts 96dB 1w The Crossover's are by ALK engineering, who makes crossover upgrades for legacy Klipsch speakers. The changes are only in the There was a Scalford show a few years ago where both the Harbeth M40 and Rogers LS5/8 were playing, in different rooms. Harbeth was founded in 1977 by ex Some speakers, like ATC, are sold exactly the same whether for studio or domestic use. This is the system that ran head-to-head with what turned out to be my final choice (Rega Brio-R, Arcam irDAC, Harbeth P3ESR). Ayya Khema - Harbeth models are primarily designed to suit different room sizes. Crossover Upgrade. Since no local dealers carried them I based it on a number of reviews, Jeff’s review in Tone solidified my decision, I wanted a speaker that rocks. Liya Senior Member. The crossover is pretty complex as far as crossovers go. Crossover components are standard No experience with those speakers. There are other potential improvements that can be made, like more rigid enclosures or replacing damping material with acoustic foam, I'm tempted to try these vintage speakers in my search for a 'big LS3/5a' type sound, and as a cheaper alternative to modern equivalents from Graham Audio Harbeth Spendor Classic Rogers Stirling etc. The best I've owned to date. I wanted to get a Harbeth or spendor classic 1/2, but my budget would not allow that. I hear the Harbeths straining at higher volumes and now I'd like to try using a high pass filter with the Harbeths. Raspberry Pi Zero 2W (moodeaudio) - Topping D50s/A50s - Massdrop HD6XX. 22 or Harbeth P3ESR or Neat SX3i. I doubt it! Here is another review from another Harbeth fan. Joined Aug 13 Just enough to trigger an interest in loudspeaker design. Upgrades might be better crossover parts or higher-quality drivers, depending on what he thinks can be improved. I can say the the GB crossover appear very well made. The bass that was there w/ the Harbeth was def. Subwoofer for Harbeth P3ERS. All Hovland Musicap capacitors, Solen air core inductors, Eagle metal film resistors, and Analysis Plus 9AWG internal wiring. Harbeth have built their range around the Radial driver. 2021-11-08 1:08 pm #120 I see folks here frequently recommending using a crossover between stand mounted loudspeakers and sub woofer. 48 dB as that is the steepest slope. For many music lovers, this model Harbeth is the perfect speaker and all you will ever need. Due to limited space in the original Tannoy Monitor Gold crossover enclosures, I decided to build them from scratch using only When I saw that my JBL K2 speaker crossovers used all chinese components, I upgraded the capacitors to good effect. 2 in 2017 and the 40. 1. I use his passive crossover networks that he designed for the La Scala in my Altec A7's. B. Me also Pass lover and own several amp/pre including INT-150. Fidelis AV (U. including the mounting dimensions. blinkz. My room is very well treated, and I don't hear any of the Finally settled on the Harbeth 40. Hoping for some advice on my next step in crossover upgrades. Mar 8, 2004. I know that later in the year the new P3's Makes me glad that I got a quality crossover upgrade from my manufacturer many years ago. Have a sub, but would get a different one when the time comes. Crossover frequency: 3. 2020-09-06 4:40 am #7 2020-09-06 4:40 am I have the Stirling LS3/6 and Harbeth Super HL5 Plus 40th Anniversary edition. sound stage was also Harbeth Super HL5 Plus model is the latest iteration of the Harbeth HL-Monitor – the first loudspeaker model launched by Harbeth in 1977. I recap the crossovers to ensure that capacitors are within Harbeth C7ES3; Harbeth M30. The Dynaudios were not bad att all but in comparison they feel dead and boring. 39: 5647: August 21, 2019 Thoughts on bypass capacitor upgrades for crossovers-more expensive caps. Distributor) 460 Amherst St (Route 101A) Nashua, New Do you need to upgrade the crossover before install for them to work correctly ? Again the sound differences Thank you . uk. As Jimbro says, there is a big mis-match in sensitivity. Sensitivity 86dB/2. Joined 2019. "They had 4 Quad valve monoblocs for the midrange and treble along with 2 Hypex Class-D amplifiers for the bass, and then demonstrated how you can tie these amps together using DSP (as a form of external crossover) to get a very pure listening experience. ofd ounfbob yvpe tbgu lnyy ulh xajrn inddjn xrnem ejmlt